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isotta72
view post Posted on 3/10/2010, 20:29     +1   -1




Grazie Salvatore per il tuo intervento.
Sono rimasta piacevolmente stupita dal fatto che fossi d'accordo a recensire questo lavoro e tanto di cappello !

Non capisco perchè, ma per il pubblico femminile è meno sconvolgente vedere una rivisitazione simile di certi personaggi..

In ogni caso, ho ricevuto una mail di Gizumo, la ragazza giapponese che nel suo blog ha riportanto gli AMV di GrendizeR e che ha nella home page il link al nostro forum. Segue il lavoro di Ieko e lo commenta regolarmente sul suo blog.
L'inglese non è ottimo, usa il traduttore. Appena sarà disponibile, vi parlerò anche della sua graphic novel, piena di disegni.



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Da: 島田 和美
A: isotta72

Inviato: Sab 2 ottobre 2010, 21:02:06
Oggetto: good job!

Dear Isotta

Good evening.

The forum in Italy was seen.
The article on IEKO was on a roll.
It was very large, and was wonderful.

The meaning can be understood from the translation and atmosphere a little.
However, the unreliable one is a current state in the translation software … The wall of the language is thick.

You are doing very wonderful work.

It is really wonderful.


We wish to express our gratitude for communications of Japan and Italy.

Moreover, it reports.

gizumo



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Freya72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 07:17     +1   -1




Molto interessante questo topic, mi ha consentito di approfondire un aspetto dell'universo dei manga che non mi era molto noto.
Complimenti all'autrice per i disegni, sono veramente fantastici, così eterei, delicati.... mi ha colpito molto la resa degli occhi.
Quanto alle situazioni, devo dire la verità, che vedere due miti della mia infanzia in quel modo non mi è piaciuto molto; probabilmente dipende anche da fattori culturali e del resto l'autrice nella mail ad Isotta immagina una qualche reazione non proprio positiva.


Very interesting this topic, I was able to investigate an aspect of the universe of manga that I was not well known.
Congratulations to the author for the designs , they are really cool, so ethereal, delicate .... I was very impressed by the yield of the eyes.
As to situations, I have to tell the truth, I didn't like so much to see two myths of my childhood in that way, probably also it depends on cultural factors and reading the the mail that the author sent to Isotta, she could imagine some not so positive reactions.


Edited by isotta72 - 4/10/2010, 08:24
 
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ieko
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 08:02     +1   -1




Firstly, I'd lile to say ciao! and thank you so much for giving many comments to me.

isotta, kojimaniaca, runkirya,Haris von Hayster,GODZILLA-Grandmasterzilla,dhrhr,Lela,kotetsu,robbiefpi,pgiova,venusia,Nivalis,lio,Freya,
Nivalis,H.Aster,robbiefpi,nicciolino,sawatari Go,geminusaint
I,m very glad to see you or to see you again.

I've never thought such a lot of enthusiastic and great fans still exist in a forein country.
It is an unexpected wonderful surprise for me.

If my works are be able to make you happy slightly, it's my pleasure.


Secondly, I'll tell about the roll of Duke and Koji.
Exactly in my drawings expression of them looks following the canons of the genre yaoi.

There wasn't the word “yaoi”“BL”(means boys love. has almost same meaning in Japan) at that time Grendizer was broadcasted.
Grendizer is the work of the dawn of a new age.
It's not too much to say Grendizer is one of the animes which made the base of yaoi today.

The relationship of Duke and Koji was so deep, and seemed nothing could part one from another.
They believed in each other.

Their freindship was fascinated a lot of fans especially highteen girls.

Of course the reason why Duke is given as active part and Koji is passive comes from the difference of their physical constraction.
But it's not so important and not only one reason.

Many fans who love Duke and Koji's partnership (not all of them. there are various opinion and favorits)think like this...

Duke is mature, calm,and he has suffering from mental wound.
He worry with he couldn't save people of his star.
So sometimes he is little introversive and try to sacrifice himself to defend
the earth without telling the way what he will do to save others.

Koji is firm of purpuse,has passionate heart.
Sometimes he makes mistakes for his caraelessness.

They are must be brave and strong pailots.
But both of them are not perfect.Because they are a human being.

Duke dissuaded Koji from rushing and Koji told Duke that people should support each other.No one can't live alone.

Duke and Koji fill up each other.
They wants peace of the universe either.

Duke hates to figth with someone, Koji can't pass violence.

The war bring nothing.
And to resist against something big and unreasonable both are important.

Anyway I think that they make a good and strong combination.

The typical role like seme and uke are not so important for me.

Sometimes Duke is passive in mentality.And Koji,too.
And another case it will be opposite.
Because they teach and learn their discreation each other.
That will give a good influence both of them.

The reason Duke is seme and Koji is uke , it's only from my impression.
Koji shows strong attitude in the battle but he has a streak of shy and polite in him on his usual life.
Duke seems mature.
He behaves himself like a gentleman.
But it's just my foundness.
Everyone has his or her own taste.

So I don't like to say this is the only one and the best.


All I can do is only to draw my favorite characters with love.
It's so difficult to explain details of my thought in forein language.
I hope that my drawings are able to do that instead of language..... :dribble:
If you look them with pleasure, I'm really happy.


Thank you for your reading !
I'll post my drawing again. :face24.gif:

See you .

Ieko

Edited by ieko - 4/10/2010, 15:32
 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 08:29     +1   -1




Hi Ieko!

Thanks for coming among us and explaining you point if view!!

As you can see, the argument have caught our attention for the whole week end, and we are happy if you share your drawings again!!

For example.. you have drawn a wonderful Duke with a deep winter sweater, which is really nice, could you post it? :dribble:

I agree on what you say about the friendship and relationship between Koji and Duke: Duke has profound wound and had a different social role on his planet, and this has grown him up fast, but he has limits: his sense of protection brings him to avoid collaboration, he wants to do everything by himself, and in the first part of the anime, he behaves as if the war against Vega were only his job.

This would have ruined him, and it's Koji that saves him, in the episode where he talks about the ideogram that in japanese means "persona".
Duke would have never won the war without cooperation.

So they are strong in couple, and this brings easily to imagine them in a different situation.

Unfortunately it's impossible for us to understand what Koji and Duke say in you mangas, but I imagine you tried to transmit to readers this exchange and balance in the couple..
We can just see drawings, where Koji is much more "female" than we use to see him, and this is at the base of our perplexity and questions to you.

Thanks again Ieko, come and join us! :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:



 
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view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 12:58     +1   -1
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Mah...il bello del fumetto è che ognuno può disegnare quello che vuole e quindi potremmo anche vedere un bel manga sulle notti lesbiche tra Sayaka e Jun...invito avendo dato una scorsa al thread a distinguere fra omosessualità e bisessualità.
Nell'antica Grecia la seconda era praticata la prima condannata.

Se poi ci vogliamo rifare alla storia e a ciò che sappiamo di Actarus la sua passione per Rubina e per Naida (se ricordo bene il nome della sua fidanzata di Fleed) era iper chiara.

Quanto a Koji ci sono mille situazioni in cui dimostra che ama le donne.

Certo, qualcuno dirà, però erano amici.

Embé?

Se mi fossi fatto tutte le tipe che sono state mie amiche sarei un pornoattore :o)

 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 13:37     +1   -1




Gianni, sto cercando di tradurre gli interventi per renderli comprensibili a Ieko, ma se io non capisco per prima, faccio fatica a rendere il senso corretto del tuo intervento.

Mi stai dicendo che nell'anime non ci sono i presupposti per dire che Duke e Koji siano una coppia?


Gianni, I'm trying to translate comments so that Ieko can undestand, but if I first don't understand what you say, I can't help.

Are you saing that in the anime there's no reason to think that Duke and Koji are a couple?


 
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view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 13:42     +1   -1




CITAZIONE (GianniAlcor @ 4/10/2010, 13:58)
Mah...il bello del fumetto è che ognuno può disegnare quello che vuole e quindi potremmo anche vedere un bel manga sulle notti lesbiche tra Sayaka e Jun...invito avendo dato una scorsa al thread a distinguere fra omosessualità e bisessualità.
Nell'antica Grecia la seconda era praticata la prima condannata.

Se poi ci vogliamo rifare alla storia e a ciò che sappiamo di Actarus la sua passione per Rubina e per Naida (se ricordo bene il nome della sua fidanzata di Fleed) era iper chiara.

Quanto a Koji ci sono mille situazioni in cui dimostra che ama le donne.

Certo, qualcuno dirà, però erano amici.

Embé?

Se mi fossi fatto tutte le tipe che sono state mie amiche sarei un pornoattore :o)

Ma te non devi prendere questo manga come fosse parte integrante della storia, ma prendila come una rivisitazione dei personaggi, una sorta di universo alternativo.



You don't have to think about this manga as part of the original story, it's a review of characters, a sort of parallel univers.

Edited by isotta72 - 4/10/2010, 14:53
 
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CITAZIONE (isotta72 @ 4/10/2010, 14:37)
Gianni, sto cercando di tradurre gli interventi per renderli comprensibili a Ieko, ma se io non capisco per prima, faccio fatica a rendere il senso corretto del tuo intervento.

Mi stai dicendo che nell'anime non ci sono i presupposti per dire che Duke e Koji siano una coppia?


Gianni, I'm trying to translate comments so that Ieko can undestand, but if I first don't understand what you say, I can't help.

Are you saing that in the anime there's no reason to think that Duke and Koji are a couple?

(I try to translate and clarify what I saied but I think the resume is: yes, homosexuality isn't connectable to the novels about Koji and Actarus.)

Ok, the great thing of strips is everyone can draw what he wants and so one of these days we could read a manga about lesbian nights with Sayaka and Jun but:

First As I have seen the thread I invite you to consider homosexuality and bisexuality 2 different things.
Ancient greeks allowed and practiced bisexuality and condamned homosexuality .

If we want consider what we know about Daisuke his lovestory with Rubina and Naida is sincere and passionate.

About Koji there are million situation where he shows he loves women.

So we cannot say their homosexuality is something that is according to their official novel.

Second: How about their bisexuality?

I would say is not according to their official novel in anyway.

And if someone would say "but they are very very friends" I would answer "If I had sex with every girl that considered me a friend I would be a pornostar" :-)
 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 15:06     +1   -1




CITAZIONE (GianniAlcor @ 4/10/2010, 16:02)
(I try to translate and clarify what I saied but I think the resume is: yes, homosexuality isn't connectable to the novels about Koji and Actarus.)

Ok, so I agree with Gemini:

CITAZIONE (geminisaint @ 4/10/2010, 14:42)
You don't have to think about this manga as part of the original story, it's a review of characters, a sort of parallel univers.

 
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CITAZIONE (geminisaint @ 4/10/2010, 14:42)
You don't have to think about this manga as part of the original story, it's a review of characters, a sort of parallel univers.

Ok, but in my opinion if you don't keep even a little part of characters' deep essence what are you telling is just the story of other characters that you call with the same name.

If you make a manga in which Koji Kabuto is a journalist that becomes a superhero changing his clothes in a public phone you are talking about a copy of Superman and not of the Gonagai's Koji Kabuto.
 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 18:07     +1   -1




CITAZIONE (GianniAlcor @ 4/10/2010, 16:45)
CITAZIONE (isotta72 @ 4/10/2010, 16:06)

Ok, but in my opinion if you don't keep even a little part of characters' deep essence what are you telling is just the story of other characters that you call with the same name.

If you make a manga in which Koji Kabuto is a journalist that becomes a superhero changing his clothes in a public phone you are talking about a copy of Superman and not of the Gonagai's Koji Kabuto.

I haven't seen anything like this in Ieko's manga.. :huh.gif:
I see a very well characterized Duke Fleed, "deep essence" is fully keeped in her work.
I don't think it happens the same for Koji, but the analisys that Ieko made in her last comment makes me think that we miss something because we can't read the manga, but just give a look at images..
 
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view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 20:46     +1   -1
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Giannialcor : I don’t know what you mean to prove by writing about sexual habits in ancient Greece?
Making a distinction over Daisuke’s partners is irrelevant to me, obviously it’s my point of view, consider: we don’t understand the language, you can only take into consideration the drawing, and there’s no doubt Ieko’s good at it; so as for the story, again it’s Ieko’s point of view. Who says there can only be Nagai’s interpretation of such characters and we are all to stick to that…who knows…it could even be Daisuke and Koji in yaoi products are better characterised? Obviously it could be the contrary, yet till now the yaoi I’ve seen are good products with high quality drawings…and being “comics” the basics of the story can be grasped and by what the author says ther’s clearly a great respect and love for certain characters…with these premises not much mucking about can be made.
 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 20:50     +1   -1




CITAZIONE (runkirya @ 4/10/2010, 21:46)
Giannialcor : I don’t know what you mean to prove by writing about sexual habits in ancient Greece?
Making a distinction over Daisuke’s partners is irrelevant to me, obviously it’s my point of view, consider: we don’t understand the language, you can only take into consideration the drawing, and there’s no doubt Ieko’s good at it; so as for the story, again it’s Ieko’s point of view. Who says there can only be Nagai’s interpretation of such characters and we are all to stick to that…who knows…it could even be Daisuke and Koji in yaoi products are better characterised? Obviously it could be the contrary, yet till now the yaoi I’ve seen are good products with high quality drawings…and being “comics” the basics of the story can be grasped and by what the author says ther’s clearly a great respect and love for certain characters…with these premises not much mucking about can be made.

Even Nagai doesn't "stick" to his own characters... never thougth, for 74 episodes, that Duke Fleed could have angel's wings... :huh.gif:
 
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What I mean is Nagai’s interpretation is fine and I don’t object to others :)

Quello che intendo è che l interpretazione di Nagai va bene ma non ho problemi con interpretazioni altrui :)

Edited by runkirya - 4/10/2010, 22:52
 
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isotta72
view post Posted on 4/10/2010, 21:39     +1   -1




CITAZIONE (runkirya @ 4/10/2010, 22:27)
What I mean is Nagai’s interpretation is fine and I don’t object to others :)

Caspita Runki il tuo inglese è duro per me, io sono un incrocio tra Alberto Sordi, Carlo Verdone e Google Translator... che hai detto qua? :rotfl:
Mi par di capire che non ho capito una beata fava di quello che hai scritto prima, ma qui va ancora peggio... :29784128hj5.gif:
 
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